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Using a dimmer?

JQL

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I am using halogen lights. I need an up-light for a scene which I have, a small 100 watt halogen handheld. I have a dimmer for this, will lowering the wattage, but still having the same light source i.e halogen keep me out of color tempature problems.

Respectfully,
Jody
Miami Beach
 
This was in the wrong forum, so I moved it for you and left a shadow in the old one.

Anyway, when you dim halogen lights will get some color temperature change (color will get "warmer" looking). You can correct for this using a blue gel. You probably won't need much to correct, depending on the look you're going for.

Best way to figure this out is to grab the light you're using, put it on a dimmer, and test it out.
 
what do you mean by an Up-Light?

high angled light? pointing down???

BUT for color temperature, the way to work with that is with Gels..

since they are low wattage lamps, and hopefully they dont generate to much heat, you can buy regular asatates that are colored... so you just have to mix and match the lights to the right temp... if your using film, buy the right type, if using a DV cam, White balance with a white card infront of your subject

GL!
 
Wait, I'm a little confused then... I was under the impression that wattage was brightness... How would changing the brightness of a light (on a dimmer) change the color temperature? It's still a halogen light, you h ave changed the quality of light, only the brightness. My (limited) technical knowledge is telling me that it is not necessary to use gels... Anyone else on this?
 
Lazlo,

When we say temperature, we mean the color temperature of the light being emitted (measured in degrees Kelvin) from the source, not the physical temperature (measured in degrees Farenheit or Celcius). As you decrease the amount of power going into a tungsten lamp, the color temperature increases in degrees Kelvin, thereby emitting a warmer color. For example, the color of average noon daylight tends to be around 5600K, while standard tungsten household lights tend to be around 3200K.

So, by decreasing the wattage coming in to the lamp, the color temperature decreases, thereby making the color temperature warmer. Weird, I know.

Can anyone explain this better?
 
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject:
Lazlo,

When we say temperature, we mean the color temperature of the light being emitted (measured in degrees Kelvin) from the source, not the physical temperature (measured in degrees Farenheit or Celcius). As you decrease the amount of power going into a tungsten lamp, the color temperature increases in degrees Kelvin, thereby emitting a warmer color. For example, the color of average noon daylight tends to be around 5600K, while standard tungsten household lights tend to be around 3200K.

Yeah, thanks... I think you didn't understand my concern, I do know what color temperature you were talking about... I know about warm, cool, color compensation filters, CC filters, all of that. I just didn't know that as a light is dimmed its color temperature changed. I should have made my concern clearer.
 
Gotcha. You're right, i didn't understand your concern.

In any event, as a light is dimmed, the color temp does change. It's a bit early for me to go into why.
 
Color Temp

Color Temp

You should be able to use Neutral Density Gels to knock the intensity of a light down while keeping the color temp constant.
 
What about 100 watt light

What about 100 watt light

Thanks for the input. What IF I use a 100 or 150 halogen light, simular to the ones you see in track lighting and do not put it on a dimmer. Fix it to a mono pod and hand hold. My other lights are 500's and 1000's but at greater distance. Will I still get color temp problems?

Respectfully,
Jody
Miami Beach
 
Ok, ladies and gentlemen, let's try to make things clear.

When you heat a piece of iron, it first gets red, and, as long as you keep heating it, ie give more and more energy to it, it becomes "white", OK ?

That is, actually because, the more you heat it, the more energy you give it, the more powerfull the light emission becomes, and, therefore, its spectrum is strengthed in blue so that it looks more "white".

When you dim down an instrument, you actually lower the electric intensity in the lamp, you give less energy, and therefore, its emission becomes poorer in high energy emission (blue emission), and then becomes more redish, or warmer. You also lower it's lighting intensity.

The color temperature lowers because its temperature lowers.

Remember that the color temperature is the equivalent temperature one should elevate a ideal black body so that it gives the same visual/light emission.

a color temperature of 3200 K means that you should heat a black body up to 3200 K so it emits the same spectrum light. (you actually have to heat a tungsten lamp a bit upper than that, but not too much upper).

So, yes, the color temperature decreases as you dim down the light.

As for gels :

Yes, if you want to compensate for that color temperature loss, you should gel the light. But... don't forget that a 1/4 CTB (that converts let's say, a 2900K source to 3200 K - Md value : -35) cuts half a stop ; a half CTB (Md -78 ) one stop and a full CTB ( Md -137 ) 2 stops...
 
Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you for the really good information. Looks as if I will be buying some gels.

Respectfully,
Jody
Miami Beach
 
You can dim your halogens a little without a noticable color temp. shift. But what you want to do is either move the light source farther away rom the subject or put some ND gel on the fixture.
 
laurent.a said:
Ok, ladies and gentlemen, let's try to make things clear.

When you dim down an instrument, you actually lower the electric intensity in the lamp, you give less energy, and therefore, its emission becomes poorer in high energy emission (blue emission), and then becomes more redish, or warmer. You also lower it's lighting intensity.


Not entirely true, all depends on your definition of dim, but then again both definitions cause color change. When you use a rheostat you decrease the voltage potential which causes the filament to dim due to lower voltage. When you use a dimmer you cut the wave of the voltage causing pulses of light through the filament which makes it dim, but thorughout the dimming of the fixture the voltage does not decrease as it does with a rheostat

Also a black body is NOT a piece of metal. Rather it is an a theoretical mathematical "device" which is both a perfect absorber of light and a perfect emitter from which to measure color temperature. It is a formula rather than something physical as the definition of black body radiator goes.

Dimming any lamp causes it to become redder to the eye regardless of if it is an MR16, professional lighting fixture or household light bulb. But there are now fixtures that can be dimmed that do not change color temperature that are used in specific applications.
 

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