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help with dinner scene

skinzy

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hi there, im a DOP for a short film in pre-production which will be shot on 16mm. the film is set in one room where six people are having a candlelight dinner. my problem is lighting everybody without creating lots of multiple shadows.

Is there anyway of lighting the set to make sure each chacter has a back, fill and key or if not what is the best way to make the group look well lit.

also would candlights on the table be a suffient fill, as i have never filmed on 16mm and dont know its latitude with exposure.

i hope someone can help, thanks for you time :D
 
Sort of depends on how realistic you need to be in terms of making the table look lit ONLY by the candles, but if you're trying to create a back-key-fill light on everyone, it sounds like there is some leeway.

It also depends on how close each person will be to each other, like spread far apart at a huge table or bunched together around a smaller table.

And if the table is long or round.

If you can find them (I'm not sure where to look) there are things called "theater candles" which are candles with two wicks in them -- these produce a larger flame that puts out more light, if that's important. It's might not be important though unless you really wanted a lot of real exposure from the actual candles.

But I would probably go with a warm soft top light over the table, skirted on the sides to let the light fall off in intensity and not make the walls look too bright. A simple method for a small round table would be a large Chinese Lantern, perhaps with a 500w photoflood (use a porcelain socket, not a plastic one) on a hand dimmer to darken it and make it warmer. A black skirt of duvetine taped to the ceiling surrounding the Chinese Lantern will flag the light.

For a bigger table, perhaps a couple of Chinese Lanterns in a row, or build a foamcore softbox with a sheet of diffusion at the bottom, and multiple lightbulbs inside, with duvetine skirting, But the soft box idea assumes a way of rigging this to the ceiling, like a solid beam or something.

I wouldn't overdo the backlighting because it can start to intefere with everyone's face as the light crisscrosses the table from all directions. You'd want to use small lights snooted (maybe with blackwrap) to keep the backlight only on the hair of each person (and you'd have to rig these lights somehow around the perimeter of the room. Dedolights, Pepper 150's, are good small lights for this -- they can be spotted in a little.

If the overhead light is soft enough, I wouldn't worry about fill too much, especially if you have a white table cloth to bounce some of the top light back up into their faces. For close-ups, you can use a small light over the lens for the eyes if needed. You can also hang a Chinese Lantern lower to get a softer light on the face for the close-ups -- just be aware of where the candles are because of the hazard if they catch a paper lantern on fire.

You could also rig diffused & gelled Kinoflos over the table instead of Chinese Lanterns or softboxes, but again, you'd have to be able to rig them to the ceiling. A final option would be to bounce some light off of a white card on the ceiling, but it can be hard to then skirt & flag the spill all around the card and yet find an angle to aim the light at it.

If the table has some big set pieces, it may be possible to hide some lightbulbs on the tabletop instead of light from overhead.

For a more stylized look, some people will point an overhead hard spotlight (like a PAR 64) straight down on a white tablecloth, creating an overexposed center to the table, and lighting people by the glow from the table bounce.
 
You may be able to play with a variation of the following images
(these are from the production journal I posted hear a while back)

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Obviously this was not for a candle light look. But putting a few globes in china balls above the table and flickering them could work.

A company called magic gadgets has a thing that is like a spot meter that hooks up to their flicker boxes. You point this at the flame of the candle, and it will match the flicker effect. Works pretty good with some tweaking.

Kevin Zanit
 

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